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cybot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:24 pm

cybot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:24 pm

Cyndale wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:00 pm There is a guy on this forum that was driving me mad about buying Rory Gallagher - Best of Live At the BBC (3LP). So i bloody well did buy it!

Thankfully it worked out fine because I trust his judgement!

Really enjoying the experience!

I do my best 😊

When I checked online Freebird Records was the cheapest, love supporting them!

Cyndale wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:27 pm

cybot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:24 pm

cybot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:24 pm

I do my best 😊

When I checked online Freebird Records was the cheapest, love supporting them!

Men of Taste...pun intended ;-)

tweber wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 8:50 pm

Cyndale wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:27 pm

cybot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:24 pm

When I checked online Freebird Records was the cheapest, love supporting them!

Men of Taste...pun intended ;-)

We could start a trio!

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I found the sound of Animals always disappointing if compared with TDSOTM and The Wall. This version fixes the problems imho. Really a great sound for a great record.
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Brutus1968 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:05 pm I found the sound of Animals always disappointing if compared with TDSOTM and The Wall. This version fixes the problems imho. Really a great sound for a great record.

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Glad you’re happy with ‘Animals’ cleaned up remix Brutus. Glad too that you brought this up as we need more posts like yours.

Here’s my take on firstly the remix and secondly remixes in general. Before I start I never had a problem with the original Lp UK edition of ‘Animals’. It sounds of its time and so it should. This new 2022 remix on a very cursory Side One listen seems to be clearer with better separation etc etc. A kind of a 21st century version of a 20th century recording. When I say a cursory listen I actually mean that unless I hear a clear perceived ‘improvement’ I lose interest half way through. In that moment I realise I’m not enjoying the music so I put it back on the shelf for another day when it’s forgotten about. Then with fresh ears and diminished noise I listen anew. If I still find I have to strain to hear these ‘revelatory’ mixes I just enjoy it for what is, a spare copy of a classic. I haven’t done that just yet but I will.

As remixes go I have no qualms at all as long as I possess another copy as close to the original as possible or even a reasonably good sounding reissue. However I can understand why people don’t like classics being tampered with under any circumstances. I always say if you already have an original then don’t fall for this overcrowded remastered or remixed nonsense that’s currently littering the shelves unless, like me, you’re more interested in the bonus material on offer.

Then we have this AI scenario which is scary enough though I only have one example which is ‘Revolver’ by the Beatles. The fact that it sounds amazingly good belies the fact that an awful lot of forensic tweaking took place over a long period of time. Is this the way it’s going to be in the future? Entire catalogue’s in AI form? More box sets? Will the ‘kids’ even notice? Does it even matter? Thoughts please…..

cybot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:22 am ...
Here’s my take on firstly the remix and secondly remixes in general...

Hi Cybot,
Thanks for expanding the discussion. I don't believe "remasters" in general are good, and I also had bad experiences and decided to keep my original copy. Also, how and when we first discovered a record will leave a deep impact on us and we will never forgive any attempt to modify that sound, no matter how bad it was.
For Animals I know it was mixed in a completely new studio (Britannia Row) and it is possible that things didn't go as expected. But it is also possible that they wanted a more claustrophobic sound. I think the work done in this remix is respectful of the original one, because it has been mixed by the same person and all the band agreed to that. And to me it finally unleashes repressed emotions.
Another interesting operation for me is the work done on the King Crimson record "The Construction of Light". When it was time to remaster it they couldn't find the original drum tracks. Mastelotto used only an electronic setup at the time for logistic problems (not for a specific sound decision). So in agreement with the band he decided to re-record all the drum parts, this time using his full acustic-electronic setup. Well the new record now has a different sound and though I liked the original one, this one is generally more enjoyable for me.
I close with a remix that I didn't completely appreciate: Pearl Jam's Ten. The Brendan O'Brien remix is more forward, but it is still very compressed and my ears start to suffer after few tracks.
I would be curious to listen to the remastered versions of two of my favourite records: Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light, and REM's Automatic for the People. They are two good records, but they could be really grand after a wise remastering.

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In remembrance of the wonderful Johnny Duhan.
I only have three of his albums Flame, The Voyage and Just Another Town.
To my mind Just Another Town should be revered as a benchmark for singer songwriters.
I seen him in concert just the once, on a wickedly bad weather night, but the gig was in my local theater so we went. There was not much more than a dozen or so people turned up. Johnny true to form had everyone come down to the front and played as if we were in his front room.
A great memory.

Brutus1968 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 2:11 am

cybot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:22 am ...
Here’s my take on firstly the remix and secondly remixes in general...

Hi Cybot,
Thanks for expanding the discussion. I don't believe "remasters" in general are good, and I also had bad experiences and decided to keep my original copy. Also, how and when we first discovered a record will leave a deep impact on us and we will never forgive any attempt to modify that sound, no matter how bad it was.
For Animals I know it was mixed in a completely new studio (Britannia Row) and it is possible that things didn't go as expected. But it is also possible that they wanted a more claustrophobic sound. I think the work done in this remix is respectful of the original one, because it has been mixed by the same person and all the band agreed to that. And to me it finally unleashes repressed emotions.
Another interesting operation for me is the work done on the King Crimson record "The Construction of Light". When it was time to remaster it they couldn't find the original drum tracks. Mastelotto used only an electronic setup at the time for logistic problems (not for a specific sound decision). So in agreement with the band he decided to re-record all the drum parts, this time using his full acustic-electronic setup. Well the new record now has a different sound and though I liked the original one, this one is generally more enjoyable for me.
I close with a remix that I didn't completely appreciate: Pearl Jam's Ten. The Brendan O'Brien remix is more forward, but it is still very compressed and my ears start to suffer after few tracks.
I would be curious to listen to the remastered versions of two of my favourite records: Joni Mitchell's Shadows and Light, and REM's Automatic for the People. They are two good records, but they could be really grand after a wise remastering.

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Thanks for your thoughts on this. Plenty of food for thought! Your comments on the ‘new’ Animals has definitely piqued my interest.

I hear too what you’re saying about the "The Construction of Light". Since I haven’t heard the first electronic drum set up recording I can’t comment on the difference but I couldn’t imagine it bettering the new edition.

Same goes for ‘Automatic for the People’. It’s brilliant as it is. Joni’s album that you mentioned is actually the only album of hers that I have.

My current dream is that ECM finally rereleases ALL of Steve Tibbetts albums on vinyl. Preferably on their Luminescence series. I can only live in hope.