thanks Aleg, 4.81 was a bit strident for me. Hopefully you like 4.82 better.Aleg wrote:Still staying with 475 256avx128sbgk wrote:ok, reversed that change.Aleg wrote: Not done extensive testing but immediately noticeable is loss of control in deep bass, which becomes booming/blooming.
one more thing to try, have uploaded 4.81 and then can call it a day.
4.81 sings a bit less than 4.75 256avx128.
It can sound a bit shortened sometimes, tones not finishing fully. This reduces the sense of the acoustic space. Some recordings that are 'famous' for that aspect (often from the ECM label, which is 'known' to bring a lot of the space into the recording) become more flattened. Try this with John Taylor - Rosslyn (ECM).
Control of deep bass is there, not as insightfull as the 4.75, but it is no longer blooming (opening out, escaping, no control), but it is still a more textureless 'boom' which can become booming and annoying if played at more volume. The 4.75 gives more texture and insight in this deep bass sound whereby it is not just a closed fat 'boom'-sound, but you can hear the fluctuations in the tone caused by the swinging of these large, thick and somewhat loose strings on the double bass which create these deep bass notes. This does not become irritating a higher volume as you can hear the string swing and sound varying with it, which is completely natural.
Vocals are somewhat smoother on 4.81 and have somewhat more clarity on 4.75. Tonally both natural and equally pleasant.
Shortened note also noticeable on the Haydn Sting Quartet from Alban Berg Quartet.
My impression is that 4.75 is more strict on the timing than 4.81, and is the one that is more true.
As said 4.75 256avx128 still has my vote for nr 1.
Cheers
Aleg
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Listened to latest sse2 versions (I cannot play avx).
My preferred version evolved in the last weeks from 3.56 + 1.6 -> 4.22 512 + 3.61 -> 4.48 512 + 3.61 -> 4.74 256 + 3.61. I'm listening 4.82 256 + 3.61 right now and it's stunning. I'm playing clarinet+accordion duo albums (Mirabassi + Galliano or Biondini, all from Egea) and the clarinet really sings.
Listened to Haden+Forcione - Heartplay as well and it confirms that 4.82 256 sse2 is excellent. Double bass seems to me very good.
I'd never thought just 6 months ago a 1644 could play so good. Many thanks to sbgk.
My preferred version evolved in the last weeks from 3.56 + 1.6 -> 4.22 512 + 3.61 -> 4.48 512 + 3.61 -> 4.74 256 + 3.61. I'm listening 4.82 256 + 3.61 right now and it's stunning. I'm playing clarinet+accordion duo albums (Mirabassi + Galliano or Biondini, all from Egea) and the clarinet really sings.
Listened to Haden+Forcione - Heartplay as well and it confirms that 4.82 256 sse2 is excellent. Double bass seems to me very good.
I'd never thought just 6 months ago a 1644 could play so good. Many thanks to sbgk.
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I'm looking forward to trying the latest sse2/3 4.22 >>+ versions....m.massimo wrote:Listened to latest sse2 versions (I cannot play avx).
My preferred version evolved in the last weeks from 3.56 + 1.6 -> 4.22 512 + 3.61 -> 4.48 512 + 3.61 -> 4.74 256 + 3.61. I'm listening 4.82 256 + 3.61 right now and it's stunning. I'm playing clarinet+accordion duo albums (Mirabassi + Galliano or Biondini, all from Egea) and the clarinet really sings.
Listened to Haden+Forcione - Heartplay as well and it confirms that 4.82 256 sse2 is excellent. Double bass seems to me very good.
I'd never thought just 6 months ago a 1644 could play so good. Many thanks to sbgk.
I am in between systems, which is a little frustrating..... having just I sold most of my Hifi equipment.
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uploaded 4.83 sse2, how does it compare ?m.massimo wrote:Listened to latest sse2 versions (I cannot play avx).
My preferred version evolved in the last weeks from 3.56 + 1.6 -> 4.22 512 + 3.61 -> 4.48 512 + 3.61 -> 4.74 256 + 3.61. I'm listening 4.82 256 + 3.61 right now and it's stunning. I'm playing clarinet+accordion duo albums (Mirabassi + Galliano or Biondini, all from Egea) and the clarinet really sings.
Listened to Haden+Forcione - Heartplay as well and it confirms that 4.82 256 sse2 is excellent. Double bass seems to me very good.
I'd never thought just 6 months ago a 1644 could play so good. Many thanks to sbgk.
also uploaded a modified 2.82 avx/sse2 256 128 nop
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Listened to 4.84 which while good in itself, is not as good as 4.75 256avx128.sbgk wrote:just can't get the bass with 2.82, uploaded 2.83 256 avx 64 nop which is better all round for me, at least.
What is less good is the space around the instruments and the way the sound is decaying, it is shortened in 4.84 while 4.75 can decay fully like in the older best versions.
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that leaves 4.82 nop to try, think it's an improvementAleg wrote:Listened to 4.84 which while good in itself, is not as good as 4.75 256avx128.sbgk wrote:just can't get the bass with 2.82, uploaded 2.83 256 avx 64 nop which is better all round for me, at least.
What is less good is the space around the instruments and the way the sound is decaying, it is shortened in 4.84 while 4.75 can decay fully like in the older best versions.
Cheers
see jplay say their jplay mini doesn't do any data copying, haven't tried it, but sounds interesting. Beyond my skills.
think 4.82 nop is the best one, better articulation, definition than 4.82.
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sbgk wrote:that leaves 4.82 nop to try, think it's an improvementAleg wrote:Listened to 4.84 which while good in itself, is not as good as 4.75 256avx128.sbgk wrote:just can't get the bass with 2.82, uploaded 2.83 256 avx 64 nop which is better all round for me, at least.
What is less good is the space around the instruments and the way the sound is decaying, it is shortened in 4.84 while 4.75 can decay fully like in the older best versions.
Cheers
see jplay say their jplay mini doesn't do any data copying, haven't tried it, but sounds interesting. Beyond my skills.
think 4.82 nop is the best one, better articulation, definition than 4.82.
I have only got a 4.83 256avx64 nop and not a 4.82 nop,
I find 4.83 nop much better than 4.84.
I think it might also be somewhat better than 4.75 256avx128.
4.75 has a sense of a bigger acoustic space.
4.83 nop has also got a good decay, but in a slightly smaller space, which might be more realistic than the larger space of 4.75
Sound balance, bass control all very good.
So 4.83 256avx64 nop might take over first place.
Cheers
Aleg
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uploaded mqnplay1644.exe 24 bit 4.82 256 avx 128 nopAleg wrote:sbgk wrote:that leaves 4.82 nop to try, think it's an improvementAleg wrote:
Listened to 4.84 which while good in itself, is not as good as 4.75 256avx128.
What is less good is the space around the instruments and the way the sound is decaying, it is shortened in 4.84 while 4.75 can decay fully like in the older best versions.
Cheers
see jplay say their jplay mini doesn't do any data copying, haven't tried it, but sounds interesting. Beyond my skills.
think 4.82 nop is the best one, better articulation, definition than 4.82.
I have only got a 4.83 256avx64 nop and not a 4.82 nop,
I find 4.83 nop much better than 4.84.
I think it might also be somewhat better than 4.75 256avx128.
4.75 has a sense of a bigger acoustic space.
4.83 nop has also got a good decay, but in a slightly smaller space, which might be more realistic than the larger space of 4.75
Sound balance, bass control all very good.
So 4.83 256avx64 nop might take over first place.
Cheers
Aleg
and
mqnplay1644.exe 24 bit 4.82 256 avx 128 nop r15d which a different way of looping
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sbgk wrote:
uploaded mqnplay1644.exe 24 bit 4.82 256 avx 128 nop
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mqnplay1644.exe 24 bit 4.82 256 avx 128 nop r15d which a different way of looping
4.82 nop indeed better, more detail and clarity of sound. Good control of bass with proper insight.
On John Taylor Rosslyn, good sense of space and good decays.
Women Vocals good.
Will listen to R15d now.
No, R15D looses a lot, the good combination of detail and clarity of 'regular' nop gets lost again
So at the moment it is 4.82 256 avx 128 nop on No. 1
Cheers
Aleg
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