Sligolad wrote:Just been listening to 2.37 for the past 2 hours and it sounds amazing, definitely the best I have heard so far from MQN.
If that one goes to the Archive I think I may be going with it....
Too hard now to try and be analytical when listening to 2.37 as I just kept being drawn into the music, amazing!
Can't agree with the positive feeling about 2.37 in my case I find it extremely flat sounding. All spaciousness and air and acoustic space has been squeezed out.
The absolute best IMHO is the 2.31 hires, 2.37 is not even close or to be considered a contender at all. Strong words, but in my setup it is way back.
Still hoping for a 32-bit version of 2.31 hires
Cheers
Aleg
Did you ever get 2.37 working with Control 100000 Aleg?
Interested to hear if you hear anything like I heard so many pages back!
Do not forget me in that list Adam for the 32 bit versions, don't get the feeling we will see them any time soon but we can only hope:-))
Sligolad wrote:Just been listening to 2.37 for the past 2 hours and it sounds amazing, definitely the best I have heard so far from MQN.
If that one goes to the Archive I think I may be going with it....
Too hard now to try and be analytical when listening to 2.37 as I just kept being drawn into the music, amazing!
Can't agree with the positive feeling about 2.37 in my case I find it extremely flat sounding. All spaciousness and air and acoustic space has been squeezed out.
The absolute best IMHO is the 2.31 hires, 2.37 is not even close or to be considered a contender at all. Strong words, but in my setup it is way back.
Still hoping for a 32-bit version of 2.31 hires
Cheers
Aleg
Did you ever get 2.37 working with Control 100000 Aleg?
Interested to hear if you hear anything like I heard so many pages back!
Do not forget me in that list Adam for the 32 bit versions, don't get the feeling we will see them any time soon but we can only hope:-))
Pearse,
No I had not, but just did. :-)
The control 100000 makes a big improvement to the R1.1 and R1.4 on the R37, allows the music to shine more. With R1.1&R1.4 the notes are cut short and limited/flattened, are not allowed to continue into space and finish their natural duration. Control 100000 does allow that, as a consequence however the preceived sublime control of R1.1/R37 of the deep bass notes is also lost however. Apparently that controled bass sounds as it does because of the notes being cut short and thereby not flowing/merging into one another.
Going back to play 100000 and control 100000, the extended singing notes are still there, what is 'somewhat lost' is the depth of bass or amount of bass that was there in R37, but what there is in bass is better controled IMHO than in the combo control 100000 / play R37.
So yes I agree that R37 is much better when used with control 100000, but I still prefer 100000/100000 and am willing to sacrifice a bit of bass at the moment.
Yes, as Gordon suggested, I tried the latest sse version 2.49, but in my system with acoustical music all of the versions since 2.31 have gone downhill. In my setup all avx versions are much better than the sse versions. Maybe this has something to with the CPU. I have an AMD Bulldozer chip that can handle avx instructions, so that might be the reason.
I also find 100000/100000 the best sounding and I really have compared a lot of combinations. It works on both my setups with both 16/44 and 24/96. Lucky me!
Thank you, Gordon, for spending all that time to get us where we are now. As far as I'm concerned, I am extremely happy with the 100K-combo, and I can really understand that one has to follow one's own passion, so if sse up to 2.49 works better for you in your system with your music, that's brilliant!
Just thought it's time again for some well deserved appreciation. :-)
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satshanti wrote:
Thank you, Gordon, for spending all that time to get us where we are now. As far as I'm concerned, I am extremely happy with the 100K-combo, and I can really understand that one has to follow one's own passion, so if sse up to 2.49 works better for you in your system with your music, that's brilliant!
Just thought it's time again for some well deserved appreciation. :-)
2.53 has a very nice sound to it, it's a modified 2.31. Have upgraded to win 8.1 update, don't know if that's contributing to the SQ, but there seems to be a total lack of digital artifacts with 2.53, which is hard to believe.
I haven't had a chance yet to test it with 24/96 on my speakers, but yesterday and today I tested some versions on my 16/44 headphone setup and the result was interesting.
I listened to 3 sse's: my sse reference 2.31, compared to 2.50 and 2.53. In parallel I compared my favourite avx 100000/100000 (henceforth known as 100K2 :-)) with the best of the recent batch: avx 2.20 and the newly uploaded avx 2.50.
I tried control 1.4 again with some versions, but in the end went back to control 100K.
avx 2.50 was a slight improvement over avx 2.20, but not enough to beat 100K.
I was delighted with the jump in quality of the recent sse's: 2.50 was a clear improvement over 2.31 and 2.53 topped that yet again (didn't bother to test 2.51 and 2.52, might revisit them again). In fact, sse 2.53 came really close to 100K as far as the pure pleasure of listening is concerned, so close that I had to listen to a lot of different material to get a sense of their subtle strenghts and weaknesses. I really like them both, with some music one sounds better, then again the other. These are my impresssions:
2.53 sse: spacious soundstage, open, transparent, dynamic, lively, plenty of perceived detail mainly due to increased spatial separation, but tonally ever so slightly smeared or coloured.
100K avx: delicate, more laid back, natural timbre, smaller soundstage, but better defined with body and texture, microdetail, perfect timing.
Too early for definite conclusions for me. I'll have to test this with my hirez system. 100K might still be sligthly ahead for me, but I also realise that I may be hitting the fidelity ceiling of this particular system. It may just be synergy and personal taste from here on. We'll see....
Compliments again, Gordon, for continuing to pursue that asymptotic curve towards perfection and High Fidelity. It's always fascinating to experience that time after time you think it couldn't possibly get any better than this, and then it does. Isn't that awesome! :-)
uwtfplay on AMD FX8120@1600 RAM@800 FSB@1200 | AQ Jitterbug | Atlas Element USB cable | HiFimeDIY Sabre DAC 2 | NVA Super Sound Pipe | SMSL sApII headphone amp | AKG K702 (or HiFimeDIY UD20 DDX amp | Anti-Cable | Celestion DL6-II)
avx 2.55 is avx 100000 except 100000 has some incorrect code which loads data that has already been played each time the buffer is filled, that's why I find it funny when people say they like avx 100000.
