Localisation cues in recordings

tony
Posts: 3144
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:36 pm

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by tony »

Fran wrote: This last one I think is very interesting indeed. My hearing tops out in home-diy tests around 16k or so - which is about average for my age. Even though I "shouldn't" be hearing the STs, obviously I am, maybe due to harmonics down the scale or something. BUT what struck me afterwards is that right there is a very valid reason why some people wouldn't hear differences, and others would.

Fran
Audiosmile operate on the lower frequencies hence the reason you will hear them. Completely different type of supertweeter to townshends. It is very difficult to hear anything from townshends unless you sit on top of them. Audiosmile as you identified are clearly audible. One of the failings of them is the ability to tone them down when required. There are just two settings and I use the low setting so reckon you would be on ear plugs if they were upped. When I get a chance this week will test MQN with R2 (2012 Windows Server)
and see how that fares.

I would be in Pearse's camp I like the level of detail they bring but as Fran and to a lesser extent Pearse advise they can be too much.
When that happens to me I just turn them off. Fran made a comment previously that they would really benefit panels that are a bit off in the treble panel. He is probably spot on there but also the panels in mine are OTA's version not quad originals and they are reported as being brighter,more detail,less true to the original etc. Also they are capable of being driven harder than the originals.
GroupBuySD DAC/First Watt AlephJ/NigeAmp/Audio PC's/Lampi L4.5 Dac/ Groupbuy AD1862 DHT Dac /Quad ESL63's.Tannoy Legacy Cheviots.
tony
Posts: 3144
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:36 pm

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by tony »

Sligolad wrote:Thinking back again I am beginning to doubt myself....we may need minutes from some of these gatherings in the future !!
Either way the tweeters if they were in or out were being affected differently by both systems.
That is normal.just age related and anxiety caused by too much messing with computer internals
GroupBuySD DAC/First Watt AlephJ/NigeAmp/Audio PC's/Lampi L4.5 Dac/ Groupbuy AD1862 DHT Dac /Quad ESL63's.Tannoy Legacy Cheviots.
nige2000
Posts: 4253
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:47 am
Location: meath

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by nige2000 »

Sligolad wrote:Thinking back again I am beginning to doubt myself....we may need minutes from some of these gatherings in the future !!
Either way the tweeters if they were in or out were being affected differently by both systems.
Im not sure now wether it was mine or tonys pc that was having that high frequency effect. Remember tonys initially was dropping bits but stopped soon after
my pcs need more volume ive noticed that with the last couple of builds

What was that track we found that high frequency sound on till I check it here?
sd card player, modded soekris dac, class a lifepo4 amp or gb class a/b amp, diy open baffle speakers based on project audio mundorf trio 10's
tony
Posts: 3144
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:36 pm

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by tony »

It couldn't be mine Nigel!. I think it was Oscar Peterson tracks either No3 on we get requests I think John wanted to hear something on it. Somebody needs to be appointed minute taker and probably mission controller required also.
GroupBuySD DAC/First Watt AlephJ/NigeAmp/Audio PC's/Lampi L4.5 Dac/ Groupbuy AD1862 DHT Dac /Quad ESL63's.Tannoy Legacy Cheviots.
jkeny
Posts: 2387
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:37 pm

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by jkeny »

tony wrote:It couldn't be mine Nigel!. I think it was Oscar Peterson tracks either No3 on we get requests I think John wanted to hear something on it. Somebody needs to be appointed minute taker and probably mission controller required also.
If it was the Oscar Peterson track you played when I was out then it was probably the same one we played earlier track 3 "You Look Good to Me". It starts with triangle, piano & bowed bass before getting into snare drum & brush + piano etc. - good tests for most systems.
www.Ciunas.biz
For Digital Audio playback that delivers WHERE the performers are on stage but more importantly WHY they are there.
nige2000
Posts: 4253
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:47 am
Location: meath

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by nige2000 »

jkeny wrote:
tony wrote:It couldn't be mine Nigel!. I think it was Oscar Peterson tracks either No3 on we get requests I think John wanted to hear something on it. Somebody needs to be appointed minute taker and probably mission controller required also.
If it was the Oscar Peterson track you played when I was out then it was probably the same one we played earlier track 3 "You Look Good to Me". It starts with triangle, piano & bowed bass before getting into snare drum & brush + piano etc. - good tests for most systems.
dont think its that one i use that myself testing here
sd card player, modded soekris dac, class a lifepo4 amp or gb class a/b amp, diy open baffle speakers based on project audio mundorf trio 10's
tony
Posts: 3144
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:36 pm

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by tony »

nige2000 wrote:
jkeny wrote:
tony wrote:It couldn't be mine Nigel!. I think it was Oscar Peterson tracks either No3 on we get requests I think John wanted to hear something on it. Somebody needs to be appointed minute taker and probably mission controller required also.
If it was the Oscar Peterson track you played when I was out then it was probably the same one we played earlier track 3 "You Look Good to Me". It starts with triangle, piano & bowed bass before getting into snare drum & brush + piano etc. - good tests for most systems.
dont think its that one i use that myself testing here
No it aint that its 'My one and only love' that is track three. Listening to MQN now on R2 and that particular track. Missing the functionality of
Jplay streaming already but this sounds very good. Will try Flamingo Sketches next as the first horn bits can take wax from the ears, hoping this player does the biz.
GroupBuySD DAC/First Watt AlephJ/NigeAmp/Audio PC's/Lampi L4.5 Dac/ Groupbuy AD1862 DHT Dac /Quad ESL63's.Tannoy Legacy Cheviots.
jkeny
Posts: 2387
Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:37 pm

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by jkeny »

Sorry track 3 is "My One & Only Love"
Track 6 is "You look good to Me" the one we mostly used, I believe?
www.Ciunas.biz
For Digital Audio playback that delivers WHERE the performers are on stage but more importantly WHY they are there.
tony
Posts: 3144
Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:36 pm

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by tony »

jkeny wrote:Sorry track 3 is "My One & Only Love"
Track 6 is "You look good to Me" the one we mostly used, I believe?
Splitting hairs (I don't have many) I think John the track we were using at that time was No3 for that section(one where it stops). Nigel didn't have that one originally.
GroupBuySD DAC/First Watt AlephJ/NigeAmp/Audio PC's/Lampi L4.5 Dac/ Groupbuy AD1862 DHT Dac /Quad ESL63's.Tannoy Legacy Cheviots.
nige2000
Posts: 4253
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:47 am
Location: meath

Re: Localisation cues in recordings

Post by nige2000 »

think the high frequency one might have been mine, played them few tracks
Flamingo Sketches seemed screechy (not that its probably a bit anyway), it seemed to help it by increasing the cpu frequency from 800mhz to 1.6ghz same as tonys but i think there was something lost in doing so. need to do more tinkering
bios settings seem to have as much an effect as jplay regedit settings and jplay settings

and that has nothing to do with localisation cues
sd card player, modded soekris dac, class a lifepo4 amp or gb class a/b amp, diy open baffle speakers based on project audio mundorf trio 10's
Post Reply