Rock - what are you listening to?

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Inspired,yet again by you know who :-) Listened to this last night after a wonderful day for
the underdog (Francesca's stunning and heart warming victory in the French open -surely this
is the real drama of Sport! - and closer,to home Louth's equally stunning performance against
Kildare!).The song cycle from Strange Feeling through to the ethereal and fantastically atmospheric
and languid Love From Room 101 at the Islander (On Pacific Coast highway) to another favourite
of mine Sing a Song For You is the stuff of dreams! Spoiled only by a totally unnecessary Gypsy
Woman,a 12 minute exercise in indulgence which should never have made the cut! Anyway I found this
little article stuck inside the Lp and I'd like to share it with you lot and typed out too!:


You don't have to wield 12 volumes of Sigmund Freud to express how the dead hand of one generation falls on the next.In Scotland, all it takes is one rusty little shiv of a phrase.It says that no matter what you do in life and no matter how rich and feted,you're going to be no better than where you came from.
Whenever some local son makes it to the papers or comes home with a big car or trophy wife, they shake their heads and say:"Him?I kent his father..."

As the son of a well-kent father myself, you'll understand that I was viscerally unshaken and sworn never to use such a drably oedipal slight.Biology And heredity,down! You are what you make yourself.Things change, though, and is patient for revenge.Suddenly,one morning,it turns out they were right after all.It's your father in the shaving mirror.They knew him and they know you as well.Even so,I had vowed never to utter those words.

You'll forgive the confessional digression,but the second Mrs. Morton was a lady called Sally Smirnof.I loved her dearly and she brought me out of myself.She was with me one night at the Forum in North London,tucked in an inside pocket.The young guy on stage was already the darling of the music press and there was,as they say,a lot of love in the house that night.The voice was big and theatrical.The songs teetered on the verge of overripe.I was getting that way myself through the set,with Sally's fulsome encouragement,I took it on myself to tell my neighbour, "I saw his father,you know.He was amazing."

Jeff Buckley's bizarre death in the early summer of 1997,by drowning in the Mississippi,propelled him to instant legend.It also looked as though the Waters of Cronos had claimed him. 22 years earlier his birth father had died younger still,having mistaken heroin for coke. (An easy kind of mistake.I used to mix up vodka and a refreshing glass of water)The irony didn't go unnoticed.Since everyone knew that Tim Buckley had played no part whatsoever in raising his son,some grim principle of heredity seemed to be at work

We went through the same kind of thing trying to hear echoes of Dewey Redman's eldritch saxophone wail in his boy's work,even though knowing that young Joshua never lay in his cradle listening to the old man practise scales next door.In the same way,there ought to have been no audible connection between the Buckley men and much of the commentary tried to point up the difference between Jeff's fruity,almost operatic style and Tim's skittering,multi-scale improvisations.

Even before I saw him in London and Paris towards the end of his life,I'd always thought of Tim Buckley as primarily a jazz musician,in fact only notionally and accidentally a singer at all.Almost the first image I saw of him was a street photograph of Tim on a snowy sidewalk, hands dug deep into a pea-jacket, pipe cleaner legs twisting against the cold.On the wall behind him,a poster advertising successive gigs by the John Coltrane quartet and an Ornette Coleman group that might,now that I think of it, have featured Dewey Redman.

That kind of lineage didn't square with Tim Buckley who'd come through in the business on the say-so of the Mother's manager Herb Cohen,singing a brand of psychedelic folk.That was the Buckley who made his UK debut in 1968,accompanied by guitarist Lee Underwood,vibist David Friedman and the hastily recruited Danny Thompson on upright bass.That was the gig preserved on Dream Letter:Live in London 1968,still the most elegantly mastered bootleg ever.On it,Buckley is still unmistakably a folkie,but Underwood's subtle chords,Danny's sinuous lines,and his own chiming 12-string,point the music in a very different direction.

Two years later,stuff like 'Buzzin'Fly' and 'Hi Lily Hi Lo',in fact the whole idea of songs with words,had been set aside in favour of a spooky experimentalism.In his lifetime,Buckley didn't dent the charts at all.The second album,Happy Sad, clambered up onto the bottom rungs of the Top 200.Three years later,even devoted fans were scratching their heads at Lorca's bizarre vocalise.The industry saw it as flagrant and ultimately suicidal uncommercialism.Others cited Norman Mailer's portentous ambition to "capture the Prince of Truth in the act of changing a style".Later,others still pointed to the supposed example of Miles Davis,missing the point twice over:Mile's ambitions were hardly commercial anyone with ears could surely hear that he did'nt change half as much as he liked us to think.

Right from the start,Buckley was an improviser.On that extraordinary London set he yodels nervously between songs,running variations that couldn't befitted into a format that was already too constraining for him.When I saw him five years later,the parallel with Coltrane made more sense than ever,except that Tim Buckley physically couldn't take the horn out of his mouth.He'd long since turned himself into an instrument of troubled grace.I saw him twice in a period of days.I think this was the trip when he recorded Fred Neil's Dolphins on a session For the BBC TV's the OGWT.It's still the only Buckley performance most people know.By that time,the voice had lost some of its purity at the top end but was still too young and too undamaged by excess to have acquired much gravel and gravitas at the bottom.He was still doing his most intriguing stuff between the songs,tuning and retuning that amazing voice,fuguing on ideas so fleeting and evanescent that they didn't seem to be part of any identifiable material but moments in an ongoing process of self-discovery.The MC5 apparently base their full on sound on John Coltrane's quartet.I suspect Tim posed posed himself in front of that poster in deliberate homage.Like Trane he was hearing harmonies,and like Ornette he had a profound belief in his own unschooled philosophy.

The Rock business is understandably nervous of improvisers.Even with the impetus generated by 1994's Grace,Jeff Buckley would never have been allowed to free-associate and improvise the way his father did for pretty much the last five years of his career.Even though Jeff's body of work was tragically foreshortened,I remember pretty much all the songs he did that night twenty-something years later. I just don't remember much music between them.That was and is the difference.
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I had a listen to this late last night. Wow..after listening to Greetings from LA earlier, nothing prepared me for what I heard on this album. I was both baffled and intrigued at the same time. This will take a few more listens before I make up my mind about it.
Stick with it, Dave. You jumped in at the deep end there with Starsailor. It's completely different from Greetings from LA. Only Tim's previous album, Lorca, could prepare you for this masterwork. One of the bravest and boldest albums in popular music. You really hear the range of the man's incredible voice on this one. I think it's important to note that he was working with some very talented musicians at the time who were very sympathetic to what he was trying to achieve. You can sense him listening to his fellow musicians and incorporating their ideas into his vocal inflexions which is something you hear more often in jazz. I mentioned before the title track and Song To The Siren but The Healing Festival is deeply, deeply unsettling as well and stands as another of his greatest achievements. There's a stunning sax solo from Bunk Gardner on this track (a shame it's faded out) who also did sterling work with Frank Zappa's band, The Mothers of Invention, around this time.

Here's the great man performing some of these wonderful songs on a TV show in 1970:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2GEzbg-YfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjdK-jUi ... re=related

And, just like the album, he never sounds remotely stressed in his singing. He is a model of calmness and composure, in full control of his vocal gifts, but also using them purely to serve the song in the most natural and direct fashion.
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cybot wrote:Image
Inspired,yet again by you know who :-) Listened to this last night after a wonderful day for
the underdog (Francesca's stunning and heart warming victory in the French open -surely this
is the real drama of Sport! - and closer,to home Louth's equally stunning performance against
Kildare!).The song cycle from Strange Feeling through to the ethereal and fantastically atmospheric
and languid Love From Room 101 at the Islander (On Pacific Coast highway) to another favourite
of mine Sing a Song For You is the stuff of dreams! Spoiled only by a totally unnecessary Gypsy
Woman,a 12 minute exercise in indulgence which should never have made the cut! Anyway I found this
little article stuck inside the Lp and I'd like to share it with you lot and typed out too!:


You don't have to wield 12 volumes of Sigmund Freud to express how the dead hand of one generation falls on the next.In Scotland, all it takes is one rusty little shiv of a phrase.It says that no matter what you do in life and no matter how rich and feted,you're going to be no better than where you came from.
Whenever some local son makes it to the papers or comes home with a big car or trophy wife, they shake their heads and say:"Him?I kent his father..."

As the son of a well-kent father myself, you'll understand that I was viscerally unshaken and sworn never to use such a drably oedipal slight.Biology And heredity,down! You are what you make yourself.Things change, though, and is patient for revenge.Suddenly,one morning,it turns out they were right after all.It's your father in the shaving mirror.They knew him and they know you as well.Even so,I had vowed never to utter those words.

You'll forgive the confessional digression,but the second Mrs. Morton was a lady called Sally Smirnof.I loved her dearly and she brought me out of myself.She was with me one night at the Forum in North London,tucked in an inside pocket.The young guy on stage was already the darling of the music press and there was,as they say,a lot of love in the house that night.The voice was big and theatrical.The songs teetered on the verge of overripe.I was getting that way myself through the set,with Sally's fulsome encouragement,I took it on myself to tell my neighbour, "I saw his father,you know.He was amazing."

Jeff Buckley's bizarre death in the early summer of 1997,by drowning in the Mississippi,propelled him to instant legend.It also looked as though the Waters of Cronos had claimed him. 22 years earlier his birth father had died younger still,having mistaken heroin for coke. (An easy kind of mistake.I used to mix up vodka and a refreshing glass of water)The irony didn't go unnoticed.Since everyone knew that Tim Buckley had played no part whatsoever in raising his son,some grim principle of heredity seemed to be at work

We went through the same kind of thing trying to hear echoes of Dewey Redman's eldritch saxophone wail in his boy's work,even though knowing that young Joshua never lay in his cradle listening to the old man practise scales next door.In the same way,there ought to have been no audible connection between the Buckley men and much of the commentary tried to point up the difference between Jeff's fruity,almost operatic style and Tim's skittering,multi-scale improvisations.

Even before I saw him in London and Paris towards the end of his life,I'd always thought of Tim Buckley as primarily a jazz musician,in fact only notionally and accidentally a singer at all.Almost the first image I saw of him was a street photograph of Tim on a snowy sidewalk, hands dug deep into a pea-jacket, pipe cleaner legs twisting against the cold.On the wall behind him,a poster advertising successive gigs by the John Coltrane quartet and an Ornette Coleman group that might,now that I think of it, have featured Dewey Redman.

That kind of lineage didn't square with Tim Buckley who'd come through in the business on the say-so of the Mother's manager Herb Cohen,singing a brand of psychedelic folk.That was the Buckley who made his UK debut in 1968,accompanied by guitarist Lee Underwood,vibist David Friedman and the hastily recruited Danny Thompson on upright bass.That was the gig preserved on Dream Letter:Live in London 1968,still the most elegantly mastered bootleg ever.On it,Buckley is still unmistakably a folkie,but Underwood's subtle chords,Danny's sinuous lines,and his own chiming 12-string,point the music in a very different direction.

Two years later,stuff like 'Buzzin'Fly' and 'Hi Lily Hi Lo',in fact the whole idea of songs with words,had been set aside in favour of a spooky experimentalism.In his lifetime,Buckley didn't dent the charts at all.The second album,Happy Sad, clambered up onto the bottom rungs of the Top 200.Three years later,even devoted fans were scratching their heads at Lorca's bizarre vocalise.The industry saw it as flagrant and ultimately suicidal uncommercialism.Others cited Norman Mailer's portentous ambition to "capture the Prince of Truth in the act of changing a style".Later,others still pointed to the supposed example of Miles Davis,missing the point twice over:Mile's ambitions were hardly commercial anyone with ears could surely hear that he did'nt change half as much as he liked us to think.

Right from the start,Buckley was an improviser.On that extraordinary London set he yodels nervously between songs,running variations that couldn't befitted into a format that was already too constraining for him.When I saw him five years later,the parallel with Coltrane made more sense than ever,except that Tim Buckley physically couldn't take the horn out of his mouth.He'd long since turned himself into an instrument of troubled grace.I saw him twice in a period of days.I think this was the trip when he recorded Fred Neil's Dolphins on a session For the BBC TV's the OGWT.It's still the only Buckley performance most people know.By that time,the voice had lost some of its purity at the top end but was still too young and too undamaged by excess to have acquired much gravel and gravitas at the bottom.He was still doing his most intriguing stuff between the songs,tuning and retuning that amazing voice,fuguing on ideas so fleeting and evanescent that they didn't seem to be part of any identifiable material but moments in an ongoing process of self-discovery.The MC5 apparently base their full on sound on John Coltrane's quartet.I suspect Tim posed posed himself in front of that poster in deliberate homage.Like Trane he was hearing harmonies,and like Ornette he had a profound belief in his own unschooled philosophy.

The Rock business is understandably nervous of improvisers.Even with the impetus generated by 1994's Grace,Jeff Buckley would never have been allowed to free-associate and improvise the way his father did for pretty much the last five years of his career.Even though Jeff's body of work was tragically foreshortened,I remember pretty much all the songs he did that night twenty-something years later. I just don't remember much music between them.That was and is the difference.
(BM)

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The poster,alluded to in the above article....


Happy/Sad is, arguably, Buckley's first great album and represents a huge step forward from his first two albums. His jazz influences really come to the fore here. Some of his finest work is on this album but I have to say that the live versions on Dream Letter surpass the studio versions in every way. And yes, Sing A Song For You is beautiful. Simple, direct, unaffected and so sincere ("Until I find peace in this world, I'll sing a song everywhere I can"). It also reminds me more of his first two albums than anything else on Happy/Sad. And let's not forget that Buckley was a mere 21 when he recorded this album.

I have to say that I enjoy Gypsy Woman rather more than you, cybot, but there is a much better version on the Live At The LA Troubadour album which really does take flight and sustains its length rather better than the studio version.

Wonderful cover photo as well and somewhat reminiscent of the cover of Dennis Wilson's Pacific Ocean Blue. A great photograph can tell you so much about somebody's state of mind.

Great article on Dream Letter, cybot, and well done on typing it out. Once again, you are to be applauded in your dilligence.
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Had a listen to the second of Drake's albums this morning. I liked it but it didnt quite make the impression on me that Five Leaves Left did but I'll come back to it a few more times. I was in Freebird yesterday and asked the guy if it was possible to order FLL on vinyl. He said it was near impossible to source at the moment which was a shame as he reckoned he'd be able to sell at least 20-30 copies a week.
Give it time, Dave. It's one of those albums that takes many many listens to fully penetrate. I particularly love John Cale's conributions on the classic Fly and Northern Sky. Great bass playing from Dave Pegg throughout the album as well. And the subtlety of Robert Kirkby's string arrangements is something to behold. There's a famous story about Nick quitting his studies at Cambridge around this time because he didn't want the safety net of a degree. So he had to make his music career work because there was nothing else for him to do. And that's why not a single note is wasted on these three albums. You'll listen to these albums a hundred times and still hear new things, and you'll still look forward to the next hundred listens.
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Happy/Sad is, arguably, Buckley's first great album and represents a huge step forward from his first two albums. His jazz influences really come to the fore here. Some of his finest work is on this album but I have to say that the live versions on Dream Letter surpass the studio versions in every way. And yes, Sing A Song For You is beautiful. Simple, direct, unaffected and so sincere ("Until I find peace in this world, I'll sing a song everywhere I can"). It also reminds me more of his first two albums than anything else on Happy/Sad. And let's not forget that Buckley was a mere 21 when he recorded this album.

I have to say that I enjoy Gypsy Woman rather more than you, cybot, but there is a much better version on the Live At The LA Troubadour album which really does take flight and sustains its length rather better than the studio version.

Wonderful cover photo as well and somewhat reminiscent of the cover of Dennis Wilson's Pacific Ocean Blue. A great photograph can tell you so much about somebody's state of mind.

Great article on Dream Letter, cybot, and well done on typing it out. Once again, you are to be applauded in your dilligence.[/quote]

Thanks Paul I really enjoyed typing it out.... What you said about the photograph is so true.The versions on Dream Letter are superior in every way possible but I do have a soft spot for the Doors like sfx on Love From Room 101....
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Thanks for all your thoughts on Tim Buckley's work lads. Much appreciated!
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DaveF wrote:Thanks for all your thoughts on Tim Buckley's work lads. Much appreciated!

An absolute pleasure Dave. Enjoy the journey and may you never reach your destination :-)
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