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Re: MQN

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:02 pm
by darkpink
Okay, how do you guys play music ordinarily then?

I used to play music with mqn by just pressing a hot key command. You use older mqn versions for casual listening?

Re: MQN

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:17 pm
by Aleg
darkpink wrote:Okay, how do you guys play music ordinarily then?

I used to play music with mqn by just pressing a hot key command. You use older mqn versions for casual listening?
Normal listening is done here using 4.25/9.12 started via batch after Ctrl-C from explorer window.

The tri-split versions are only used for testing and occasionally a single track that is just over 50MB full size.

Re: MQN

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:37 pm
by Octagon
Aleg wrote:
darkpink wrote:Okay, how do you guys play music ordinarily then?

I used to play music with mqn by just pressing a hot key command. You use older mqn versions for casual listening?
Normal listening is done here using 4.25/9.12 started via batch after Ctrl-C from explorer window.

The tri-split versions are only used for testing and occasionally a single track that is just over 50MB full size.
As an alternative you might use Taggarts tool MQnLoad with the old versions as well. It gives you additional possibilities like easily changing MQn versions or playing flac with MQn. It has been introduced earlier in this thread.

Take care
Thomas

Re: MQN

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:51 pm
by sbgk
uploaded v25 uses different low level instructions, not sure which I prefer, this one seems to have more detail, less thumping bass.

v26 back to previous instructions, bit better all round for detail, but still has good bass. Right, must get onto the device name

v27 alignment fix after all these changes, if you only listen to one this is the one to try.

Re: MQN

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:29 pm
by nige2000
whats the buffer/period size these days?

briefly tried v24 earlier seems a good improvement on the last ks i tested
(thanks guys for the mqnfolders)

Re: MQN

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:02 pm
by tony
nige2000 wrote:whats the buffer/period size these days?

briefly tried v24 earlier seems a good improvement on the last ks i tested
(thanks guys for the mqnfolders)
Nigel can you fire over the folders when you get a chance. Not sure if it is my room or MQn but the 63's are a completely different beast tonight.
Wonder was Pearse using Ultrasteam even at Scalford? Maybe hibernate might have helped but I think judging by comments from lots of other people bass boom issues abounded in Scalford.

Gordon did you make it to the show??

Re: MQN

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:08 pm
by nige2000
tony wrote:
nige2000 wrote:whats the buffer/period size these days?

briefly tried v24 earlier seems a good improvement on the last ks i tested
(thanks guys for the mqnfolders)
Nigel can you fire over the folders when you get a chance. Not sure if it is my room or MQn but the 63's are a completely different beast tonight.
Wonder was Pearse using Ultrasteam even at Scalford? Maybe hibernate might have helped but I think judging by comments from lots of other people bass boom issues abounded in Scalford.

Gordon did you make it to the show??
its the diyinhk version the guys sent me and i haven't bothered to learn how to hexedit yet

Re: MQN

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:37 pm
by sbgk
tony wrote:
nige2000 wrote:whats the buffer/period size these days?

briefly tried v24 earlier seems a good improvement on the last ks i tested
(thanks guys for the mqnfolders)
Nigel can you fire over the folders when you get a chance. Not sure if it is my room or MQn but the 63's are a completely different beast tonight.
Wonder was Pearse using Ultrasteam even at Scalford? Maybe hibernate might have helped but I think judging by comments from lots of other people bass boom issues abounded in Scalford.

Gordon did you make it to the show??
no, was tempted, but couldn't make it in the end. Did you go ?

Re: MQN

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:57 pm
by sbgk
So JPlay dac link is just using the device driver interrupt to time the swapping of buffers.

With MQn there is no swapping of buffers because there is no copying of data or streaming and it has always used the driver interrupt to time the next buffer.

I tried JPlay 6, but found the 0.5 ms system timer setting to be too digital (why not make this configurable ?), so it is my impression that they equate increased resolution with increased digital noise which is the opposite direction MQn took. If you decrease the buffers then you are just increasing the digital noise because the same instructions are being run more often than with larger buffers, there is no reason for lower latencies, it's not a musical instrument that needs to play sound as soon as a key is pressed.

Too many compromises with JPlay.

Re: MQN

Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:07 pm
by nige2000
sbgk wrote:So JPlay dac link is just using the device driver interrupt to time the swapping of buffers.

With MQn there is no swapping of buffers because there is no copying of data or streaming and it has always used the driver interrupt to time the next buffer.

I tried JPlay 6, but found the 0.5 ms system timer setting to be too digital (why not make this configurable ?), so it is my impression that they equate increased resolution with increased digital noise which is the opposite direction MQn took. If you decrease the buffers then you are just increasing the digital noise because the same instructions are being run more often than with larger buffers, there is no reason for lower latencies, it's not a musical instrument that needs to play sound as soon as a key is pressed.

Too many compromises with JPlay.
dont think jplay is a good benchmarker for sq maybe more for usability
but can we not lower the latency even just to 5-10 ms just to see what the guys here think of it