probably the best usb to i2s device

Anything to do with computer audio, hardware, software etc.
Crom
Posts: 33
Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:55 am

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by Crom »

nige2000 wrote: not much to dislike
3.3v external power
linear 1.2 v for core
linear reg for system clock

still better with off board reclocker

a new standard
Nice catch, I've ordered one as it should be a bit of an upgrade to my waveio - if only because of the updated xmos chip.

What freq is that clock running at in the top-left? I'm guessing the pair in low-right are the 45/49M.
wushuliu
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:24 am

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by wushuliu »

nige2000 wrote:
TioFrancotirdor wrote:Nige2000,

Does bring any improvement to the boards like Soekris that have their own reclocking: FPGA and/or flipflops?
yes its on a soekris atm with a reclocking flipflop before the i2s goes into the soekris then bypassing the isolators
ill be putting a usb2412 chip on the front of it too soon

this is the pic of initial testing
Image

whenever we get the perfect source upstream wont matter :)
Nige I've ordered one of these diyinhk boards as well (to make external power easier and to compare the larger xmos). I'm interested in the flip flop reclock but am having a hard time figuring out the easiest approach. The original hifiduino page talks about soldering directly to the clocks but it doesn't look like you've done that for your board?
Eclipse W6520R/Satori TW29R MTM
Hifime Es9038Pro
3eaudio TPA3251
nige2000
Posts: 4253
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:47 am
Location: meath

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by nige2000 »

dont pass much heed to my dodge experiments i reckon if its worthwhile a few cm of wire shouldnt completely negate worthy benefits
see that dodgy blue wire closest between the diyinhk and the ff
that is the master clock signal

the way id do it would be turn the ff board upsidedown
place directly under diyinhk pinout and run a very short wire from mck out to cp on ff

although the i2s wires will be longer than the mck wire
i guess it would be more optimal with shorter mck wire
sd card player, modded soekris dac, class a lifepo4 amp or gb class a/b amp, diy open baffle speakers based on project audio mundorf trio 10's
wushuliu
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:24 am

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by wushuliu »

nige2000 wrote:dont pass much heed to my dodge experiments i reckon if its worthwhile a few cm of wire shouldnt completely negate worthy benefits
see that dodgy blue wire closest between the diyinhk and the ff
that is the master clock signal

the way id do it would be turn the ff board upsidedown
place directly under diyinhk pinout and run a very short wire from mck out to cp on ff

although the i2s wires will be longer than the mck wire
i guess it would be more optimal with shorter mck wire
Thanks. How would you rate the improvement of adding the flip flop. Not really finding a lot of subjective feedback on that, though people get excited.
Eclipse W6520R/Satori TW29R MTM
Hifime Es9038Pro
3eaudio TPA3251
nige2000
Posts: 4253
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:47 am
Location: meath

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by nige2000 »

better clarity more precise
i like em
anyway its easily done for under a couple of dollars so its well worth it
sd card player, modded soekris dac, class a lifepo4 amp or gb class a/b amp, diy open baffle speakers based on project audio mundorf trio 10's
wushuliu
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:24 am

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by wushuliu »

nige2000 wrote:better clarity more precise
i like em
anyway its easily done for under a couple of dollars so its well worth it
Just noticed the sd player thread. Which do you prefer the sd or pc/usb as source?
Eclipse W6520R/Satori TW29R MTM
Hifime Es9038Pro
3eaudio TPA3251
nige2000
Posts: 4253
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:47 am
Location: meath

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by nige2000 »

wushuliu wrote:
nige2000 wrote:better clarity more precise
i like em
anyway its easily done for under a couple of dollars so its well worth it
Just noticed the sd player thread. Which do you prefer the sd or pc/usb as source?
i prefer my sd card but not by much
but difficult to answer in a general sort of way due to the amount of modification involved in both setups
the pc setup has a ludicrous amount of mods
the sd card well is just simpler in all ways
it obtains a very low noise floor that pc struggles with and provides lashings of reverb, decay and micro detail in a very free flowing way

bang for buck award surely goes to the modded sd card player
sd card player, modded soekris dac, class a lifepo4 amp or gb class a/b amp, diy open baffle speakers based on project audio mundorf trio 10's
wushuliu
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:24 am

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by wushuliu »

nige2000 wrote:
wushuliu wrote:
nige2000 wrote:better clarity more precise
i like em
anyway its easily done for under a couple of dollars so its well worth it
Just noticed the sd player thread. Which do you prefer the sd or pc/usb as source?
i prefer my sd card but not by much
but difficult to answer in a general sort of way due to the amount of modification involved in both setups
the pc setup has a ludicrous amount of mods
the sd card well is just simpler in all ways
it obtains a very low noise floor that pc struggles with and provides lashings of reverb, decay and micro detail in a very free flowing way

bang for buck award surely goes to the modded sd card player
Interesting. I think I’ll order one. The Lifepo setup with charger and switches is probably more than I want to take on, but I have the 3.3v low noise power supplies from Diyinhk coming so I could try those instead.

Main question I have is what clocks did you use to replace? You mentioned ndk?

Sorry for all the questions but this forum is not as easy as others to google search specific answers.
Eclipse W6520R/Satori TW29R MTM
Hifime Es9038Pro
3eaudio TPA3251
wushuliu
Posts: 180
Joined: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:24 am

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by wushuliu »

never mind. figured it out. will post in the other thread.
Eclipse W6520R/Satori TW29R MTM
Hifime Es9038Pro
3eaudio TPA3251
nige2000
Posts: 4253
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:47 am
Location: meath

Re: probably the best usb to i2s device

Post by nige2000 »

Lifepo4 is key
And also a simple solution
Urge u to try them :)

Think i posted links to the clocks i used somewhere in the other thread
Its mostly the power supply to these clocks that does the magic
sd card player, modded soekris dac, class a lifepo4 amp or gb class a/b amp, diy open baffle speakers based on project audio mundorf trio 10's
Post Reply